ISPP 2015

Career Opportunities in Pharmacy
How I got into Medicine at UNSW - Linda Zhang



hello everyone my name is Linda um I recognize some of you out there I teach Matt's here on Saturday but for the rest of the week I am a student at UNSW and I'm in my fifth year of study so let's get into the talk so my talk is going to be a little bit different to the one you've heard before I'm going to talk very very little about me um a tiny bit about high school and I'm going to talk mostly about medicine so about me I'm a fifth year med student you installed you sorry I went to James Joyce agricultural high school and something that's not up there that's also was a huge part of my life in your 12 was I was a matrix student and probably became a huge part of my life because you know you're 12 is really all over the place but matrix kind of taught me how to put it into a structured form and it put me with people who are equally driven if you look around you people are here because they're driven and you know these are the kind of people that you want to associate with and you want to hang out with and study with okay so we'll go through why would you possibly want to do medicine and if you decide to do it how do you get into medicine then we'll go over what you and a stoppie medicine is like and then I'll just give you some pieces that phone so why would you want to do medicine it's a very eye-opening and exciting cause if think about it if you can understand why your body works why why do you have that headache why why is your leg sore if you can look at your body and understand why that's happening it's you know it's amazing and your friends come up to you and they go why is this happening to me and you can explain all that to them and they look at you in awe and surprise unfortunately though it's not exactly like what you see on TV not like Grey's Anatomy it's not like scrubs it's not that exciting there's lots of clinical experience if you're not the kind of person who like sitting in lecture theatres all day reading textbooks all day this is probably one of the courses that you might want to do okay that you spend a lot of time in hospital you do have so much to some pranks but you know as you progress through the course majority of the time is in hospital way of following a team around and you're learning through practical experience rather than theoretical study unfortunately it is a long course with many atoms so in you anastagi it's a six year course uws it's five years and you said as you just heard in seven years if you do the undergrad course it has many hours so it's pretty much a five day a week course it's not like you're commerce not like your law we have about three days a week it's five days it's pretty much 9:00 to 5:00 it's constantly challenging and by that I mean every single day you're learning something new you are learning something new not just in medicine but you're learning something new in communication studies how to talk to people how to study and of course you're learning your medical work unfortunately it's a lifetime of study what I mean by that is after you graduate after 60s at UNSW or wherever else is studying you have mooring fans so you become an intern then you do an exam after that then you become a resident you do an exam after that and you keep doing exams you probably have about another ten years worth of exams after you graduate and even after that you have to keep up to date so you have to keep studying so if you don't enjoy studying and learning this is not the cause for you the good thing is you have job security okay as soon as you graduate there is a position waiting for you in some local hospital somewhere okay and where you choose to go after that that is after you unfortunately it's got unconventional hours especially as a junior doctor you'll be expected to work night shifts as long as day shifts so you know public holidays they're not public holidays if you're a doctor night shifts they can go for 12 hours 15 hours you can do double shifts 20 hour shifts who knows but overall it's extremely rewarding this is probably one of the most important reasons there's nothing like the feeling that you get when you see a patient finds out they link you with whether it be something little whether it be you know your cure to the headache or whether it be something huge like if you would have canceled the joy that you see in their faces there aren't many professions out there that you can get this from so if you've decided after hearing those that you want to get into medicine or even onto hearing those you still want to get into medicine how to go about doing it so for UNSW there are three aspects there's your you mat there's your interview and there's your eight on the new mat comes first which is so your exam this year is on the 27th of June and the last day to register is a third of June so you still have time to do it if you haven't decided yet one of the most common questions I'm asked is do I mean to do humor courses you manage them is the very overwhelming of them it's like nothing you've done in high school there's a lot of content and there's very little time so if you don't feel like you need courses you need to do practice questions it's not the kind of exam you can just waltz into it and expect to get good marks in and you need to be able to practice you need to be familiar with it so when you go in there you know what the structures like and you know how to manage your time any practice that you do you need to do an under timed conditions timed exam conditions that last point on there don't be late it sounds really obvious but you might and they don't let you go in if your name they shop the doors and nobody is lighting for any excuse so during my email exam I heard all this banging outside and that was people who were late and they couldn't do it they had paid for the young man that planted in medicine who knows they probably got a really good a time but they couldn't get into med because they were late for the you month so you don't want to go through that and do it unless you're absolutely sure that you don't want to do anything methylated do the you map just in case what if you change your mind you know what if you I actually had a friend who didn't do that you mad because she thought she'd never get the a tire iron or forget Ian and she ended up getting ninety nine point nine zero and she you know actually hugely regretted not doing it just doing like I don't know comments with popping up not to thank you doubt about comments so after you do the event there's the interview and the interview you actually get an offer for that in late October so that's actually before you get your HR result so they give you an interview based on what they think of you from what you sent in on your form and your or you map okay so HR hasn't come into it at all yet so with the interview it's a really relaxed interview it's you there's someone from med faculty in there and there's someone from the community so don't line be yourself they really don't want to get to know you the questions aren't trying to test you they're just trying to set what kind of person you are if anything if you want to prepare for the interview practice talking to people to talk to strangers just get your people skills up they just want to say that you can communicate and you're not shy so after the interview you do your HSC and you get an eight on the minimum eight are to be eligible is ninety six point zero so that's for you to actually put it on your application form the median eight are for entry actually ends up being greater than ninety nine point six so what that means is if you take all of the students who got into min stay in the previous years and you ranked them in order the middle score is ninety nine point six zero okay and that reflects that doesn't mean that if you get under that you won't get it that's just the middle school after you rank them okay and the reason it's so much higher than the minimum eight on is because of the competition into the actual degree so if you look at last year's numbers there were about three thousand five hundred applications and from those 156 local applicants were selected okay so that's about a four percent entry rate and that's why the ankle gets drunk so high there's also what's called bonded places and those places are for local students as well but it's where you agree to go for I think five years to over all players after you graduate and that's the same thing you do the same course it just means that you've committed to spending five years in a rural place and that's probably a few I don't know twenty more places or so don't give up if you think you're looking at your grades now in your banks now and you think you're not doing so well and it means that you can't get into the course that you want don't give up because you can change your a time just by doing extremely well in trials extremely well in HSC and it's only April now you've got a long time to improve before them okay I probably didn't do so well in my turn money sounds in year 12 I thought I was probably in the last quarter of the grade but I managed to get myself up there by my trials and if I can do that anyone can do that okay so remember entries based on a combination of the three so what that means is if you really well them in your you mouth and in your interview then maybe your HR isn't so important so what then is UNSW medicine you know telemedicine is a six year course if split into three phases two years each phase one quite relaxed you have lectures you have tutorials you have practicals it's five days a week we have a clinical attachment of two hours once a fortnight and that's where you just kind of go and start practicing talking to patients we have a written exam every eight weeks and you have an interphase integrated clinical exam so what that is is it's a verbal exam so you're being tested in front of a patient and there's no written component to that okay so after that you move on to phase 2 and phase 2 is divided into one-year research and one-year coursework and you can choose which order to do that in so if you feel like a break from all the studying you can do the research first or if you enjoying the study you can do Lana and the one you really so much that's actually really beneficial you can you have the opportunity to you select a topic and you have the opportunity to have your paper published in an international medical journal and if you aren't studying towards being a specialist that is actually a huge advantage over other students from other universities I've actually had doctors who have graduated from other unions come up to me and said I wish I had one year compulsory research because now I can't it's so hard to get into special cause of my choosing but if I had had that research here that would have put me way ahead so after the research you do one year of coursework and that's eight week rotations where you're rotating through the different specialties at hospital and that's pretty much about three days of clinical – Hospital time a week and two days we're here at uni – after faster you do an exam and the exams that you're doing met a cumulative exam so what I mean by that is if you do an exam in first year you can't forget those contents for second year because they will be expected to be known as well so all your knowledge builds up and they continue to be tested so phase three in other two years you have an elective term and what that is it's an opportunity for you to go overseas you can go anywhere that you want as long as the union's up to you so we have students who go to Harvard go to Canberra to go to Yale or your ideal eggs and we have students who go to South Africa who go to the developing countries and its really interesting to compare medicine in a developing country with Australia where we've quite developed so you go through clinical rotations as well at this time it's about one day at uni every full week and the rest of time is completely Hospital time and what that means is you have to study yourself these doctors are busy they're not going to teach you unless you you know follow them and keep questioning them so you have to go home and you have to study yourself so a lot of medicine is self-study you have to be you have to have the willpower to study have to be interested and passionate and after that you do the final exam and others that is cumulative and this final is uncovers everything everything that you've done six years so just to finish off with some advice keep up with your schoolwork like Carrie said before if you don't understand make sure you understand you want to kill keep up you don't want to let it slide because when you get up to your trials you want to know everything you want to be in a position where you can just practice and do past papers you don't want to be learning the topics again don't choose a course because of a time I can see most of the room is Asian here and I know that Asians you know they like to do the course because they go to high HR and what a waste of an anti-life you choose a course that's blown your time not true it's a waste of time and money you could choose the wrong course so many people drop out of a course after one year because they chose it for the Anton and they hated it you know so choose a course that you like really think about where you want to end up with in life if you if you want to be doing you know office hours you want to be sitting in a nice office all day just in medicine it's not any other course you will be walking around you will be doing long hours it's tiring if you become a surgeon you're standing for seven hours straight and also think about everything job to think about the a time and do your matrix homework oh sorry so your matrix homework do your tests they seem really repetitive in ten years now and I probably thought that as a student as well but it's the repetitive nature that makes you learn it properly and it's it's that that really structures your exam how you're going to structure it in the exam as well because you bite it out so many times and you make corrections each time you write it so that when you do actual exam you've got the structure down perfect burnout is a myth and I say that because you know you've got one year of your 12 if you're going to have to if you have to put some hard study in for one year and then you've got the recipe future planned out for you then do it you know don't relax in year 12 study if you need to do in all my life do it just relax the week after don't put things off and have and I didn't believe in 1812 but you table is one of the best use of your life you have so much fun in you 12 and if you don't take advantage of it you won't have time to later so thank you

11 thoughts on “How I got into Medicine at UNSW – Linda Zhang

  1. 0:55
    I've seen so many people get hitched at my school in year 11 because of this sadly popular concept – i.e. because their academically 'smart' friends wanted to start hanging out with the 'smarter' people, or the 'more driven' ones. Not only is this a stupid idea, but it also reveals what sort of a character you have.
    However. To those giving all the reasons against someone becoming a doctor, we do actually need doctors in our society… so someone's gotta do it.

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