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A Prescription for Worship | Part 2

welcome to the creative brain of Dean Hawk get ready to be challenged inspired and equipped to become a better ministry leader hey welcome back to the Dean Hawk leadership podcast we're in part two of a prescription for worship Brad Fante my worship pastor is joining us once again welcome back Brad and hey just just to jump right in and we would there's so much material to cover and such good stuff last month if you missed it go back and listen to part one of a prescription for worshipped a lot of great material covered there and also I want to say up front if you are a pastor or worship pastor and you have any questions Brad would be glad to answer them and his email is Brad at Rock Family Church com you have a question for me about this area or other subjects you'd like to see covered it's Dean at Rock Family Church com all right I'm gonna I'm gonna just jump in on a hot a hot one a hot question because I I have I'm asking the question but I have my own opinions on it how important is it for the pastor to be in the service when the worship set is going down this is a big one it makes a huge difference when you ambassador Kim are there I can tell you that there is a marked difference in the response of the people when you guys are there kind of leading the charge of creating the tone of of the worship experience actually and why is that uh I think I don't really know honestly like you guys are engaged you're well and here's here's what I would say he's the best dancer jumper I try and be his number two because he's leading from the stage and here's what Kim and I try and do can we lead from the pew can we lead from the front row can we set an example and so here's what I think it does do I set you up but I have my own opinion okay if a pastor I'm gonna just call you out pastor if you are ditching the worship set I don't if you're praying for somebody in the lobby and you're doing ministry if you're not there you just sent a message to the whole crowd what's going on isn't really that important because you're not there and here's the way I put it if I'm gonna listen to him three times he has to listen to me three times on a Sunday morning from an energy standpoint you know I encourage my team every week that you know for us to engage regardless of how the people are responding but when we have you and pastor Kim up front and you guys are engaging it there obviously there's an energy that we feed off of right and it just it just adds to the atmosphere makes it easier for and I think I think the way a pastor can understand it is when the first couple rows are a mening when you're teaching and that's good makes a huge difference if man it just it you create energy yeah and I I always tell this I tell our leadership to sit in the first three rows our elders our board leadership anyone who's on staff part time staff when you're in service sit in the first three rows because we want to set the model for the other rows behind us this is how we worship absolutely I actually heard it said how was that a conference thousands of people at this conference and I believe it was Louie Giglio I was on the stage and he looks at Bryan Houston from Hillsong and he asked him he says hey who is your worship leader and I forget who was at the time but he answered that person's name and louie giglio says no you're the worship leader of your church you set the tone of the worship culture that's gonna be created and so I never forgot that it's valid so so pastors get out of get out of the back room and I'll be I'd like to be very blunt and practical third service after standing since 8 o'clock when I got here greeting people in between services third service and I do tell brats every now and then I will go into a deep prayer mode and I and I sit down and I get in deep prayer because I know I got a preach and my legs are just feeling it yeah I know I should be in more shape but he's in there but I mean but he's there so pastors get out of the backroom be in there support support your team all right real practical how do you write a list how do you decide what songs to do and what songs go together navigate with some of those so we talked a little bit about it last month where we talked about just having a pulse of what guy is speaking to your church during that season the first place I would look is the series that we're in sure another some series you know if we're in a financial series there are a lot of songs that are gonna speak to that directly but like Love Revolution Lucien was a great one too and honestly there have been so many times when I don't even mean to but just in prayer I'll fill a song in my heart and it ends up being right and like there man like like yeah you know one hammer on top of so just trying to keep a really good pulse on that I think direct communication with you just kind of right again goes back to knowing what God's speaking to us there in a certain season so that's from a spiritual standpoint being current on songs that you know honestly they're songs that we'll do that are played on the radio a lot and I mentioned this again last month it may not be my personal favorite song but I know it's it makes my job easier when they come in knowing the song all right sure and so I'll pick songs you know as I'm listening to the radio that I I'm like man the songs on the radio it's really resonating with people and probably those songs I get more compliments or feedback on those songs than any other song right because people come in there for Mary they've heard it they know it and it's easier for them to engage it's more familiar so from a practical standpoint I always take keys into consideration this the keys that a song is in there are certain keys and if you want more information feel free to email me I there's obviously musical aspects too right but being aware of what keys you're going into and not just thinking all keys are created equal because they're not well and I was in a service another place another another world and they did a song and the songs did not line up in key so they had to totally shut down I have this weird awkward pause and then shift you could hear the musicians all shift up to the next Kia and it just it created a it created a stutter in the the flow and a little trick you know there's times if I if if it's just hard for me to make because we'll change the key of songs to make them flow better cut if I ever have it somewhere I feel really strongly about a song but it's hard to get those make those keys work a lot of times from a practical standpoint if it's a song that has like a distinct ending and a lot of faster songs like that you can get away with them not being a crack compatible because there's an actual into the system bonus start to the next one good so that's a little trick cool here's something I want to throw out is I've always said with Brad and my previous worship leaders he and I have the greatest influence over the flow of a service and I would say to pastors and worship leaders and pastors you're going to set the tone on this I need to have connectivity and a friendship and a relationship he needs to know my heart we talked about that a couple months ago leading with your heart and but we have to have a connection because as he said if if our hearts are connected and he's connect and we're both connecting to the Father there are times where I didn't even know I had it something in my notes after they were quote done and and man the song just nailed a certain portions of the sermon and so I just would encourage pastors that you need to connect with your worship pastor go to lunch periodically talk about the services be open pastors to talk about what you sense in a series in a lesson that's coming up because I want to equip him to to succeed there as well okay we can have a good service a bad service we talked a little bit about that last month I would say the most influential piece are the rehearsals and just walk through what we do get practical how long when do we meet what's your goal in that rehearsal and how does all that come together yeah well we have we have rehearsals every week so we expect everyone that's scheduled to be there on rehearsal night and if they can't then we will find a replacement for them or they can't play now the only just being honest the only exception that we that I have found that I might be willing to make an exception for that is if the schedule is set and we practice every Thursday and on like Wednesday or Thursday something comes up with work or a family thing if they communicate that with me I might be willing to let them play on Sunday okay so we're not fine a last-minute replacement um but again there's an expectation clear expectations that they come Sunday dialed in ready to go they're not having to learn the song run so that's that's how rehearsals are we run rehearsal from about an hour and 15 to an hour and a half rarely ever but we go past an hour and a half okay um if we ever do it's usually because something's not going right we got to really work something out with a song but for the most part and are you just going through the songs how are you coaching them and that how was that hour and 15 broken out yeah so we total I guess it's two hours because we do a half an hour we'll just vocals okay then we all come together for about an hour and a half with the band and what what typically we'll do is we'll run through the songs kind of working through transitions working out different parts of the song working on anything we're struggling with we'll do that one time through once we have everything dialed in we'll run the top of the set start to finish and actually record it so that we can email to everyone and they can have it with you know kind of the feel between Thursday and Sunday also another thing is picking sets in advance again God doesn't have to wait till the last minute shurik to you so we we try to have a very good system verse they have plenty of time to have those songs and we have an expectation that when the band shows up on Thursday we're not coming to learn a song that's good coming to rehearse the song so how soon would you put out two let's say it was this week this Thursday this team when are they when would they be getting the list and notice so actually our process is that by the 15th of each month we have the songs in for the the following month so by the 15th of March we'll have the song did you hear that worship leaders for April now obviously once in the last year and even then it was like if you guys can great if not right it's not a mandate but yeah just making sure that we come prepared you know there are times when in those rehearsals I may fill in my heart that we need to spend some time worshiping but that is an exception okay that is not a weekly occurrence okay another thing from a practical standpoint I don't know how a lot of you churches are all of our team pretty much they're volunteers with families well you just hit all the time jobs and so well there's a hot button yeah paid or unpaid yeah and honestly there's no right or wrong okay and all it depends on you know your bench you know who you got in the church what people's talents are and then I would say this though if you're gonna pay somebody don't lower the standard on the god side the spiritual side sure just because someone is talented I would make sure that there's clear expectations and non-negotiables as far as the character moral code you know that we have everybody sign right ROM no matter how good you are and then we coach people to live to that not perfect relative to a standard and so for us as volunteers and so you know I want to honor their time and so I work really hard to be prepared really show up on Thursday it's one thing for our her sort of go to hours because you're just having to work something out and a rehearsal going to hours because the leader showed up and was I know what was going on and so I found that if I show up prepared and I'm and I'm honoring their time or getting hour and a half hour and 15 then in those rare occasions where I have to ask them to stay for two or you know more than normal they're willing to do that because they know that I'm and here's what cuz well here's what we found is is people want to be a part of a team of excellence and the more excellent we play and we present it will draw people of excellence and if and if you're not performing it excellent people are like I don't want to be associated with that alright so we were hearse on Thursdays our first service starts at 8:30 on Sundays what time are you guys showing up on Sunday morning we start soundcheck meaning we're there ready to start at 7:15 okay typically that's just one run-through but it gives us a little bit of margin that if kind of something derails or we miss apart we can go back and run something again but we've never really never had a Sunday that I've been here that we've been sweating whether we're gonna get done and we usually have time to have breakfast together and yeah they'll have a bite to eat pray get ready for the service now something that we've done for years that I don't know that many churches would require but obviously we have our sound person sound engineer here but we require we require our media person who's going to be throwing the words up on the screens to be here and to know the flow that he's going to function on or otherwise you all you've all been there and you're like we're not even on there and the Gaia then them back or gal is clueless yeah we've it's been awesome to have our propresenter media person there because sometimes will change up arrangements so we don't always do the same song the same way it's good so I might differ between times that we do it and so it's good for them to be there on Thursday so they can they can get it set up and know kind of our plan our roadmap for okay what are some of the challenges and frustrations that you face in leading a worship team filling two campuses just I like to get real because what we experience others do yeah what's some of your frustrations opportunities I guess yeah so I obviously you know the the most obvious one would be just making sure that both campuses have the resources that they need and resources I mainly mean people and you know our South Campus worship leader he's done a great job of recruiting some people within that congregation to join the team he's coaching them bringing them up but then also we're not saying we're still working to kind of bridge the gap so that everybody on the team matter what campus sees us as one church yep with multiple locations and so if I were to ask you know so and so I could you go down south and cover we're working towards that but I would say that's the biggest challenge is getting the buy-in that a were one team going after the same thing what do you say to the worship leader or pastor that's out there that says men we would kill for a drummer we're missing a keyboard player we can't find a bass player what would you say to that person on how to find them or ask around you know try to through your relationships people with other churches you know a very practical thing is which we talked about last month multi-tracks yeah you know as you're building those teams developing that's a great tool and resource to where you could have some of those instruments okay while you're working to build up that team but but I would say mostly relationships you know leverage those relationships build relationships with other worship leaders within the community and then and then ask around in the church you'd be surprised how many people in the church used to play drums are used to do this and they maybe don't feel like they could do it they think they don't know what's required what the commitment would be and so just being open and honest about the need and what the expectations are sometimes can lower but I think look at your youth group as well I love it throughout the history of the church we've had teenagers young teenagers playing key roles in our worship team I've had pastor friends that are launching planting churches and they're trying to build a team they have posted on Craigslist looking for a drummer and now maybe maybe they weren't the total package of everything they wanted in a drummer but it was a place to start and just getting that getting that word out there any are the thoughts on that whole paid and unpaid what have you seen in in your worship connections do they when does when do you see a church goes to an all paid I mean we would assume it would be the larger yeah and I think I think and resources but one way that I've seen it done which i think is very healthy is there's one church in particular is very big and they don't have a lack of resources but they start everybody out as volunteer but then they have a certain point after a certain time of commitment faithfulness so grabbing themselves where it's not paid but there is some kind of stipend and okay you know a blessing so to speak but it's not you don't go in with that as an expectation it's something you work towards and once proven again that's probably that's a that church also probably has a lot of people a big pool figure out the bigger on a bigger pond efficient but uh but yeah that's a really healthy way and there's even people you know there's times when somebody will go above and beyond for a special event or something and we'll look for ways to bless them you know I have two questions when do you let a person on the stage how do you determine if they're good enough I think everyone even back to my youth ministry days had people on the stage that their microphone was only in the monitors and they weren't house but but and then how do you turn people down that you say to that vocalist hey you're just not there yet talk through that awkwardness of do you put them on the stage and do you tell them they're not I say yes that's a great question so every worship leader you guys have had that people come in they're super passionate and they really feel called to this but maybe their gifts that's just not there what I found is that being direct and being honest is definitely the best approach and what I mean by that is when someone comes in and they audition and they're not they're not there there's really two categories it's somebody that just you're not gonna be able to get them there or they're not there but could be yeah and so if somebody's just not there I would I will explain that to them but tell them why okay for instance if if I'm hitting a D and someone's singing gee thinking it to D I can't get them they're right they're right in who knows what they're hearing so I let them know like hey you hear this this is a D and you're singing this do you hear the difference and a lot of times they don't and so I'll just let them know hey we're gonna you have a tone issue we're gonna need you to know sing on this key so practice this if you feel like you get to where you can do it let's talk again most of the time they don't come back but yeah but just being honest like hey this is why this is where you're at and this is what we need and this is why I kind of we're not on the same page what a principle we have around here is we constantly pray for winners to be added to our team so we're praying in musicians and vocalists and leaders and so forth so I think that's that's important another thing just real quick is if somebody can't serve on that team I'm I try to be very intentional about inquiring what are some other things you're passionate about what's curious so that if I'm saying no to this I'm redirecting teachers or there another area where they might be able to serve okay a hot button I think we've got time to touch on is the importance of the sound the sound engineer the mix we actually have a bowl of ear plugs that and I want you to address where the whole DB thing and where we range there's a lot of topics here but here's what I would say we can't please everyone I would say we try and please the majority of the crowd it's always gonna be too loud for somebody and it's always not gonna be loud enough for somebody so we're trying to hit the biggest gap but but talk through the sound engineer we run off of volunteers and and we have multiple it's not like we have one guy that's there every week we have multiple guys shifting and between campuses yeah and a lot of moving parts but give some insight on coaching people on the whole audio piece yeah so first of all the reason that it's so important that we're not just trying to nitpick or harp on something but as a team we've talked about engaging and projecting and reaching people so there's there's nothing more frustrating than when you thought you're giving it all you got and the energy of the song or the the spirit of what you're trying to portray is being a loss because oh the audio was so soft so soft it's diving as a second that can be now we can't be moved by that but it definitely it affects your service so that's important but also it's important to know that it's not a one-size-fits-all like if the church down the street runs 105 that may not work for you right you have to mix to the you have to for us specifically varies between services you know wouldn't you be in second service that tends to be a little fuller for us is not gonna play out the same way our service and vice versa so right it's important that whoever's mixing mixes live they're mixing to the room they're mixing to the group of people like the number of people that are there and the energy of the song it's important that you don't just get everything set and walk away but you've got to be there engaged okay this song's doing this I need to mix live I need to be ready too there's a part of the song I need to push this or I need to I need to pump this up and so all those things you know can be seen minor but they really can have a big and I think a key if you're not worship leader is is you need to be in charge of the sound you're running you're responsible for that service and the results of that service and if you've got you know old faithful who thinks he or she is in charge of the audio level they really have got to come under submission to you and following your leadership because you're responsible for the big picture and that's not just everyone's singing and playing but but having the levels at a level that and it's important to create a culture where people feel honored they feel like you valued but it's honest it's honest and honoring at the same time it's good and people don't take it personal so what DB what is the range we run so we run between 96 and 100 hundred two and again that depends on the service you know guys there which service it is the number of people it depends on the song too and I think a key on that pastors is we just about a year ago replaced our speakers and we could have never with our previous system ran to those levels because we didn't have even distribution so if we were measuring and it was running 95 somewhere it meant it was running 115 or had a hot spot yeah but we got new speakers and you can ask Brad about that but we that that we literally have 360 of the auditorium we were are within a few DB levels of each other so there's not the hot spots and we've actually here's what we found we're running hotter with the new speakers and everyone we're gonna see or like we're getting fewer complaints so that's that's a that's a hot one what do you do with the infamous person who comes to the booth what do you tell the guy that says when Grandma comes and says this is too loud I'm leaving this church if you don't turn it down that's the complaints how do you have I love you and we pray you find a great church you know usually if that happens I'm not the one in the booth so they'll say well let pastor Brad know and then if it ever gets to me we just lovingly navigate that it's really a case-by-case but the biggest thing is we can't let anybody good or bad I Jack the vision a great point and we gotta be that's why it's good for you and I to communicate where we are as a church where we're headed so we're all speaking the same language right and we're willing to take and I think this is important we are willing to say that we are not going to adjust this is the sound that we have hit the most and if it does if you have a hearing issue and it is more sensitive to you we have a seat out in the lobby if you'd like to sit out there and we have alternatives that you can still see and participate with speakers but it's not on the same level and I think it's important to not be afraid to explain why this is who we are as a church this is why we're doing this and this is why we're not really gonna change from it in a loving way so don't don't just be like well that's just you know okay goodbye you know explain it don't be afraid all right now we've talked about people on key off key we purchased a piece of equipment that everyone is raving about explain what we did what this what this product is how much it costs and what it is doing for us yeah so there's a program called waves a lot of churches are using it now for their mix like as in water weight the body weight yes waves and now we use it for our mix and with ways there's a number of plugins you can buy to create different sounds on different instruments with the drums but one of the big ones is vocals and what does it do with it's a pitch corrector but here's a thing that I want to emphasize you shouldn't use this to make people good right right you don't want this to be like somebody can't sing and we're trying to make them be able to okay you use this to enhance it and make them better okay it's not about making somebody good it's about taking somebody that has some talent and just making it better and now it's just a tool that enhances I still I still coach our vocals right still practice without it I'm still calling people out if it's pitchy or we need to work on that because again this is something makes us better and we're not trying to get as good okay all right last one I want you to talk to pastors I talked to me what can I do as a pastor to help my worship pastor or to help my worship team to raise the bar in the service from friends that you know are out there that are you know have the good the bad the ugly give us some general big thoughts and ideas I think communication is key we hear that all the time but it's very important that that the lead pastor is communicating with the worship pastor you're letting us know you know affirmation on the words of affirmation guy but not just that but also letting me know when I could do things better as a worship leader has a creative person where feelers and so I think oftentimes we can feel if there's a dissatisfaction but a lot of times it's not communicated and so that's that gave way for bitterness and security all kinds of things and so it's better just to have loving conversations on the flip side of that don't let the only time you're talking to your worship pastor be when you're correcting it's great they've done so just have a good balance of that I think it's great for the the lead pastor to engage be a worship leader help lead the charge and then just clearly communicate the vision of the house you know and do it a partnership where you're working together on Sunday morning to make sure everything that's happening within the that time for that opportunity we have is cohesive and we're going after the same thing well it's something I do pastors I don't do it every Sunday he'll testify but if I think of it prompted to do it I will send him a text because in the transition to him coming off the stage stage getting set for the sermon and the set and all of that and I'm greeting people I might not have an opportunity to necessarily talk to him so I'll do several things a I'll grab my phone shoot him a text ago this was crazy awesome let's do it again next service I will intentionally hit the stage in the transition and say to the team guys you knocked it out of the park that was awesome encouraging them because let's face it I've said this to my wife the person on the back row if they love it or hate it and that's a two on my scale of rating the people who are closest to me the people who are in leadership I value their score the most and so affirm your whole team I'll tell people after a service man really appreciate you playing today you did a great job just most guys are want words of affirmation and then finally I just want to say to the worship leaders I would just encourage you to be honest with with your pastor pastors create a culture where you can be honest and honoring you have different ideas that's better ultimately going to help the church accomplish the goal but just be submitted be submitted to your lead pastor trust that God's called you to serve the vision of that house and don't think that you always know better but work together to make it the humility yeah the ideal team player hungry hungry humble and people smart you're able to get along with people hey this has been the Dean Hawk leadership podcast pass it on to somebody else share it on social media we'd appreciate that rate it if you think it's good don't rate it if you don't like it that I would appreciate that and be sure and check out Dean Hawk dot-com if you need some some insights on some great sermon material teaching outline sermon series and all that great stuff we love to just bless pastors and give that away once again Brad at Rock Family Church com Dean at Rock Valley Church comm if you have any questions for either of us otherwise we will see you guys next thank you for joining us today for a free sermon series and teaching outlines by 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